| I am sorry I involved the artist by name, I should not have done that, I ment it strictly as a complement. The artist is a very nice person. And the new angora chins do look beautiful! I see, when she found I would not sell, she could find someone else to replace them. Now, Ms. Rothermel has absolutely no excuse for not removing my angoras! Now, Ms. Rothermel can not try to blame me if she causes the members to loose their animals and money! Did a certain someone ... afraid of loosing the value of their oldies ... pitch a fit about replacing the angoras with oldies? I see you must have given in, Ms. Rothermel. $$$ OR Honor? Such a choice to have to make! Right, Ms M? You made your choices and I made mine. I will keep my honor intact, can you say the same? ***BTW Just for the record, a return to the site for me, would be so I could give away the chins, to those who entered in the contest. Then, leave of my own accord. Why I would want to stay? I think I have made that clear by my statements. |
| ----- Original Message ----- From: YOU KNOW WHO To: ME Sent: Yesterday Subject: RPA Chinchillas {{{Sorry this part looks kinda weird, but due to the below message, I can not print or reproduce (and I quote) "Any .... of the ABOVE message" that once occupied this spot. So I took that part out ... just use your imagination. :) }}} The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and intented for the above named recipient only. Any republication, retransmission, or public display of the ABOVE message is strictly prohibited and is unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. {{{{{ I don't think SHE wants what was written, by her, up for all to read. ;) }}}}} ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Ann ~ Luv 'N Chins To: Jacqueline Rothermel Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Angoras Ms. R--------, Would you care to tell me what, on my web site, you consider slander? I have only quotes from you, your website and Marie (Sassy), my opinions and questions, no slander. I have the e-mail where you stated that you would take all of the angoras off your site. Quote: "Jo Ann - is that what you'd like me to do? Take all the angoras off the site? If it is just tell me - and I will do it." Your words echo, like those spoken inside of an empty cavern. To my knowledge, you have yet to remove even one of them. ;( Of course, since my account is still frozen, I have to depend on information from my friends. You quoted me well, but apparently did not understand the meaning (and I quote myself) of "the graphics that I made", means ALL the graphics that I made, except those that I gave directly to Jamie. {Because I do not go back on my word.} All means everything ... it means pictures of chinchillas (including, but not limited to my pink white Easter chins and my baby white mosaic angora), trophies, gift baskets/trays, St. Patty's Day chews, Easter egg chews, the chinchilla hut/house, all of the angora chins you have released and those you have not yet released (including, but not limited to, the safe chin, the gold bar angoras, the purple angoras, the black angoras, the hetro ebony angoras, the white ebony angoras, and the tan angoras). I am sure you can replace each item with another item and give each item an equal value, so that no member looses any points. It may take you a little time to do all of this, but, then, you should have thought about all the stuff I did ... before you unjustly froze my account. I gave you two weeks to remove all of my graphics from the site. That was on May 7th, 2008. It is well passed the two weeks now, so, I don't care if you have to replace each item with a number ... if you want me to take off the 4 or 5 pages I now have on my website, you will remove every thing that I made (except those things I gave Jamie) from your website. Once it is all removed, I will remove the 4 or 5 pages, not before then. Be on notice: Should you use them on the present site or any future site, or give them to anyone else to use, those pages will be available for the public again. To only offer less than 4 of my angoras (and nothing else) to be removed from your site, in exchange for removing 4 or 5 pages from my website is an insult. Sincerely, Jo Ann McCraw There are no dumb questions ... Only regrets they were not ask ... Well, I just received another 'you can't quote me' e-mail and here was my response to it: ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Ann ~ Luv 'N Chins To: Jacqueline Rothermel Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Angoras Ms. Rothermel, If you want the pages, I now have on my site, removed, remove my graphics. If you want to allow the pages to remain on my site, leave the graphics on ... it is up to you. It is not I, who will have a guilty conscience ... this is strictly your choice. Do what you will, and I will react to what ever that may be. But, should you try to throw all the blame on me, for what you did to bring this all about in the first place, that would be a big mistake on your part. You are not the only one that has personal problems, so don't try to pull a guilt trip on me. I've had a few myself this year. It is your actions that caused the removal of the graphics, not mine. You can temporary up-load any clip-art-graphics to replace any of the items I made so that the members will not loose their points or money ... you, in my opinion, just don't want to do the work and would rather blame it all on me. Sorry, lady, that boat just does not float. Sure, I could say leave them up, but, I have never been a doormat in my life and do not intend to start now. Sincerely, Jo Ann McCraw |
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| ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Ann ~ Luv 'N Chins To: Jacqueline V-Chins Rothermel Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: Replacements Jacqui, You say you have nothing with which to replace the angoras and other chins that are mine ... why not replace them with oldies? You have the graphics and the scripting right at your fingertips. Each one could be replaced with a specific oldie. Very simple. That way, no one will loose what they have spent on an angora chinchilla or any of the chinchillas I made. No one will loose an animal from their herd. :) I do my own scripting, I know you can do it, IF YOU WANT TO. As far as the chews are concerned, you have one egg that I did not make and one St.Patty Day chew that I did not make ... you can replace all of the ones I made, with those two. ;) Using the above suggestions, no one would loose money or number of animals. Yes, you do have replacements for all of the graphics I made. All you have to do is a little work. Sincerely, Jo Ann |
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| There is ANOTHER letter of response below this note. IF YOU think the above suggestion is a good one, you might want to Post it on the Forum for all to see! |
| ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Ann ~ Luv 'N Chins To: Jacqueline Rothermel Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Angoras Jacqui, You can leave the chews on the site, but the angoras that are on site are to come off. I spent hours upon hours on them. You showed your appreciation of that by freezing my account instead of coming to me or e-mailing me that you had a personal problem with me. You left the IMPRESSION for everyone, all the other members, that I "must have cheated", because up to that point, that was the ONLY reason people's accounts were frozen. You have admitted to me that you froze my account for personal reasons! I am sure you have not announced that my account and Billydkd' accounts were frozen for your own personal reasons, have you? You childishly got back at me and Billydkd for using our freedom of speach by expressing frustrations that he could not get a response from any *ADMIN* by you freezing our accounts, so everyone that would go to our accounts would think we cheated or did something really bad to get frozen. And you wonder why I want my graphics off your web site??? What have you done to my personal reputation? You want to get back at me by leaving everyone on the site with the impression that I am a bad person??? No thank-you, madame. I unintentionally hurt your FEELINGS in a PRIVATE message to another member and what did you do? You did not try to hurt my feelings, YOU INTENTIONALLY set out to PUBLICLY hurt my REPUTATION without just cause! I know that you and some of the other admins tried your best to find a way to get rid of me, because I had so many chins in my herd, but you could not catch me cheat, because I DID NOT CHEAT. I had to many chins in my herd and used them to bargain for oldies from the administrators only ... that was a legal/honest way of getting them ... I worked for them and YOU froze my account for PERSONAL REASONS ONLY! Yet, you allow some of the people that put a tidy sum money into the site to openly cheat. ... How is that fair? ... How should that make me feel? ... How should that make all these kids feel? How many people got their accounts frozen for spaming other members? Isn't that a slap in the face to them, too? It might do you some good to think about other people's feelings instead of your own all the time. You say I did not thank-you enough for what you did on the site? What about the $60 check and the $40 through Sassy? Yes, I have receipts for both! Gee, I would think that was saying "thank-you" in a way. You ask me to make Easter eggs ... I made 60 and sent them to you ... isn't that another way of saying "thank-you"? My goodness, is everyone suppose to PM you and say "thank-you, thank-you, thank-you" daily? They may not say it out loud, but the members that keep returning day after day to participate on the site are silently saying "thank-you for giving me a place to go and enjoy myself", that is something to really be proud of ... is that not thanks enough? It was YOUR decision to freeze mine and Billydkd's accounts, it is YOUR decision to unfreeze us or not. We were there because we wanted to be, YOU made us leave. We will not beg or ask to come back, but will, IF, invited to do so. Sincerely, Jo Ann McCraw |
| My response to another ... "you can't quote me" letter from You Know Who ... so just use your imagination! Strange, I don't mind everyone knowing what I say/think. |